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		<title>Comment on Bucky Fungus by Andiroo</title>
		<link>http://liveness.org/plasticfutures/bucky-fungus/comment-page-1/#comment-10649</link>
		<dc:creator>Andiroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 13:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Girish
Years ago I planted rain forest species around my house on the far south coast of NSW. Not only did I plant trees but also ferns. I was astonished to watch these geodesic domes appear from within white truffle like fungus in amoungst the ground ferns. Now I know what they are.
Thanx
Andiroo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Girish<br />
Years ago I planted rain forest species around my house on the far south coast of NSW. Not only did I plant trees but also ferns. I was astonished to watch these geodesic domes appear from within white truffle like fungus in amoungst the ground ferns. Now I know what they are.<br />
Thanx<br />
Andiroo</p>
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		<title>Comment on SymbioticA Biotech Workshop by onomatopoeia &#187; Biotech workshop</title>
		<link>http://liveness.org/plasticfutures/symbiotica-biotech-workshop/comment-page-1/#comment-5122</link>
		<dc:creator>onomatopoeia &#187; Biotech workshop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] project was the SymbioticA workshop we held at RMIT. This is covered in my other blog: Plastic Futures    05 Dec  This entry was written by pia, posted on December 5, 2009 at 1:54 pm, filed under [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Who? by Day 1 &#8211; Monday 16 November &#171; Plastic Futures</title>
		<link>http://liveness.org/plasticfutures/about/who-are-we/comment-page-1/#comment-4626</link>
		<dc:creator>Day 1 &#8211; Monday 16 November &#171; Plastic Futures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Who are we? [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on iPatch™ InfoDetox by iPatch™ Revisited &#171; Plastic Futures</title>
		<link>http://liveness.org/plasticfutures/infodetox-patch/comment-page-1/#comment-4621</link>
		<dc:creator>iPatch™ Revisited &#171; Plastic Futures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Revisited  posted by: Girish Sagaram on February 4, 2010, 6:05 pm Last year I presented the iPatch™ (complete with ironic trademarking) as a satire on the way we look to technology to solve problems [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Revisited  posted by: Girish Sagaram on February 4, 2010, 6:05 pm Last year I presented the iPatch™ (complete with ironic trademarking) as a satire on the way we look to technology to solve problems [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Public symposium: &#8220;Plastic Futures: biological life, art and design innovation&#8221; outcomes of BioTech Art Workshop. 20 Nov by zarathrusta</title>
		<link>http://liveness.org/plasticfutures/public-symposium-plastic-futures-biological-life-art-and-design-innovation-outcomes-of-biotech-art-workshop-20-nov/comment-page-1/#comment-4156</link>
		<dc:creator>zarathrusta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 01:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quote from HG Wells above is taken out of context. Wells was arguing that to regard human being or beings as a biological resource is one of the dangers of an industrialised, modern society. The danger is that the deeply held values of equality of all mankind, democratic moral feeling and sort of middle-class good will are threatened by the very thing upon which they are built: exploitation of resources. The danger comes in the inability to distinguish as a matter of moral reflection, between people and the world. 

But the discernment of resources relies precisely upon the strange seeing, alienated eye, disinterest or objectivity that allows the use value of resources to become visible. This contradiction is masked with the image of &quot;neutrality&quot; in which a lack of consciousness on the part of the resource is used to argue for its lack of &quot;interest&quot; in being exploited. Human being is thus placed “above” in a moral and ethical sense, the world that it exploits. Relying on linear causality and rational approach to what can be knowing and being, the moral order to nature allows the increase of human power and civilisation in its modern form.

Applied to non-life this seems unproblematic, but when the resource is alive, the question of sentience suddenly seems crucial. Thus a moral order is drawn according to such distinctions: humans on top, then sentient animals, non-sentient life and then non-life such as rocks and water. Naturally, the differences between life and non-life, sentient and non-sentient beings are founded on pre-modern notions of being and identity that lead to problems of precision, definition and discernment under modern notions of equality and democracy. The moral battle lines are drawn between being as a neutral &quot;object&quot; and being as an interested &quot;subject.&quot; Ironically and with a certain degree of humorous potential, the properties of both are necessary in the other. The object requires a subject and the subject requires an object: thus a person requires a body and vice versa, in a self-contradictory interplay filed with dysfunctionality and alienation. Thus the great comedy of modern life is played out as alienated self-body contradictions. Self-consciously taking a myopic scientific approach to the &quot;body&quot; as a material for artwork is part of this comedy.

Art that uses human biological material as a resource, as is done by other human biological material, or &quot;persons,&quot; is essentially a comedy of power. Thus a power relation is created between two types of human biological material as a matter of culture and art, just as has been seen between European empire builders and Africans. The result is slavery, cruelty and resentment and, as Marquis de Sade has shown us, can become a theatre in which such cruelty becomes an aesthetic interest. Moral absolution is achieved by seeing a person purely as a body and a body purely as functions. The empathetic view is denied leaving the alienated of stranger’s view. Through the stranger’s eye, all cruelty is absolved of its moral content and becomes aesthetic and thereby available to the bourgeois concept of ars gratia artis. As with the slave owners and their slaves, the power relation must seem absolute and must be expressed through ideas such as culture, consciousness and of course, art. One side of the power differential becomes god-like and the other more and more denigrated. But in a modern democratic world, such an arrangement is an assembly in which all human being, as a matter of individual being, takes parts. Each person becomes both the slave and the slave-owner, a half-god - half human, self-strange and subject to cruelty as a matter of aesthetics. Cosmetic surgery, dietary dugs and machinic forms of exercise are all ironic symptoms of alienated self-harm bent on aesthetic gratification. Thereby, each person becomes both a half god and a slave to their own bio-aesthetics. Intolerable to artists such as the rather damaged Rudolf Schwarzkogler, the irony of such a world is deeply attractive to artists such as Marcel Duchamp. Nu Descendu is precisely the image of the god-like self-harming machine person/skeleton.

But one cannot remain half a god for long, as the slave owners discovered and is so beautifully described in Greek mythology with figures such as Heracles and Achilles. To be half god and half mortal is to fall victim to the failings of both. Age takes its toll, genetic disorders abound and the young are the measure of such a fall. If such artists really want to take their work to its natural end, which is to say as if they were gods they would express the same destructive caprice that all gods, especially the Greek ones, have done. Naturally this would seem deeply unethical in a world unable to escape its own moral values but nevertheless consistent with their artistic approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quote from HG Wells above is taken out of context. Wells was arguing that to regard human being or beings as a biological resource is one of the dangers of an industrialised, modern society. The danger is that the deeply held values of equality of all mankind, democratic moral feeling and sort of middle-class good will are threatened by the very thing upon which they are built: exploitation of resources. The danger comes in the inability to distinguish as a matter of moral reflection, between people and the world. </p>
<p>But the discernment of resources relies precisely upon the strange seeing, alienated eye, disinterest or objectivity that allows the use value of resources to become visible. This contradiction is masked with the image of &#8220;neutrality&#8221; in which a lack of consciousness on the part of the resource is used to argue for its lack of &#8220;interest&#8221; in being exploited. Human being is thus placed “above” in a moral and ethical sense, the world that it exploits. Relying on linear causality and rational approach to what can be knowing and being, the moral order to nature allows the increase of human power and civilisation in its modern form.</p>
<p>Applied to non-life this seems unproblematic, but when the resource is alive, the question of sentience suddenly seems crucial. Thus a moral order is drawn according to such distinctions: humans on top, then sentient animals, non-sentient life and then non-life such as rocks and water. Naturally, the differences between life and non-life, sentient and non-sentient beings are founded on pre-modern notions of being and identity that lead to problems of precision, definition and discernment under modern notions of equality and democracy. The moral battle lines are drawn between being as a neutral &#8220;object&#8221; and being as an interested &#8220;subject.&#8221; Ironically and with a certain degree of humorous potential, the properties of both are necessary in the other. The object requires a subject and the subject requires an object: thus a person requires a body and vice versa, in a self-contradictory interplay filed with dysfunctionality and alienation. Thus the great comedy of modern life is played out as alienated self-body contradictions. Self-consciously taking a myopic scientific approach to the &#8220;body&#8221; as a material for artwork is part of this comedy.</p>
<p>Art that uses human biological material as a resource, as is done by other human biological material, or &#8220;persons,&#8221; is essentially a comedy of power. Thus a power relation is created between two types of human biological material as a matter of culture and art, just as has been seen between European empire builders and Africans. The result is slavery, cruelty and resentment and, as Marquis de Sade has shown us, can become a theatre in which such cruelty becomes an aesthetic interest. Moral absolution is achieved by seeing a person purely as a body and a body purely as functions. The empathetic view is denied leaving the alienated of stranger’s view. Through the stranger’s eye, all cruelty is absolved of its moral content and becomes aesthetic and thereby available to the bourgeois concept of ars gratia artis. As with the slave owners and their slaves, the power relation must seem absolute and must be expressed through ideas such as culture, consciousness and of course, art. One side of the power differential becomes god-like and the other more and more denigrated. But in a modern democratic world, such an arrangement is an assembly in which all human being, as a matter of individual being, takes parts. Each person becomes both the slave and the slave-owner, a half-god &#8211; half human, self-strange and subject to cruelty as a matter of aesthetics. Cosmetic surgery, dietary dugs and machinic forms of exercise are all ironic symptoms of alienated self-harm bent on aesthetic gratification. Thereby, each person becomes both a half god and a slave to their own bio-aesthetics. Intolerable to artists such as the rather damaged Rudolf Schwarzkogler, the irony of such a world is deeply attractive to artists such as Marcel Duchamp. Nu Descendu is precisely the image of the god-like self-harming machine person/skeleton.</p>
<p>But one cannot remain half a god for long, as the slave owners discovered and is so beautifully described in Greek mythology with figures such as Heracles and Achilles. To be half god and half mortal is to fall victim to the failings of both. Age takes its toll, genetic disorders abound and the young are the measure of such a fall. If such artists really want to take their work to its natural end, which is to say as if they were gods they would express the same destructive caprice that all gods, especially the Greek ones, have done. Naturally this would seem deeply unethical in a world unable to escape its own moral values but nevertheless consistent with their artistic approach.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sypyosium: Plastic Futures: biological life, art and design innovation. by Day 5 &#8211; Friday 20 November &#171; Plastic Futures</title>
		<link>http://liveness.org/plasticfutures/plastic-futures-biological-life-art-and-design-innovation/comment-page-1/#comment-4089</link>
		<dc:creator>Day 5 &#8211; Friday 20 November &#171; Plastic Futures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] final afternoon session was a Public Symposium or forum where participants were given the opportunity to present some of their own work and [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Workbench by Pia Ednie-Brown</title>
		<link>http://liveness.org/plasticfutures/the-workbench/comment-page-1/#comment-3998</link>
		<dc:creator>Pia Ednie-Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I loved was Oliver Sack&#039;s workbench: he has a picture of Stromatolites on his pinup board. He makes a point of mentioning this, and WA:

http://seedmagazine.com/interactive/workbench/oliver_sacks/

Everything else on that board are his friends and heros.
Notice he also has a platypus and the word &#039;Darwin&#039; on his shelf.

Reminds of this line from Ballard, that Adrian Lahoud emailed me yesterday:
&quot;Each one of us is as old as the entire biological kingdom, and our bloodstreams are tributaries of the great sea of its total memory.”   The Drowned World, J.G. Ballard, Millennium 1999, p.41.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I loved was Oliver Sack&#8217;s workbench: he has a picture of Stromatolites on his pinup board. He makes a point of mentioning this, and WA:</p>
<p><a href="http://seedmagazine.com/interactive/workbench/oliver_sacks/" rel="nofollow">http://seedmagazine.com/interactive/workbench/oliver_sacks/</a></p>
<p>Everything else on that board are his friends and heros.<br />
Notice he also has a platypus and the word &#8216;Darwin&#8217; on his shelf.</p>
<p>Reminds of this line from Ballard, that Adrian Lahoud emailed me yesterday:<br />
&#8220;Each one of us is as old as the entire biological kingdom, and our bloodstreams are tributaries of the great sea of its total memory.”   The Drowned World, J.G. Ballard, Millennium 1999, p.41.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Of Value by Pia Ednie-Brown</title>
		<link>http://liveness.org/plasticfutures/of-value/comment-page-1/#comment-3995</link>
		<dc:creator>Pia Ednie-Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Pablo, that is a good resource.
I agree about Melinda&#039;s book. It&#039;s really good.
pia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Pablo, that is a good resource.<br />
I agree about Melinda&#8217;s book. It&#8217;s really good.<br />
pia</p>
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		<title>Comment on workshop archive by Jamie</title>
		<link>http://liveness.org/plasticfutures/workshop-archive/comment-page-1/#comment-3872</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the resource page can be publicly accessed -as this active workshop has been. thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the resource page can be publicly accessed -as this active workshop has been. thanks</p>
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		<title>Comment on workshop archive by Amanda Alderson</title>
		<link>http://liveness.org/plasticfutures/workshop-archive/comment-page-1/#comment-3865</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda Alderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone, 
we do have online resources on the SymbioticA website. These are by no means comprehensive, but are a start. I believe that the list may contain some of the projects Oron has spoken about:
http://www.symbiotica.uwa.edu.au/educate/resources</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone,<br />
we do have online resources on the SymbioticA website. These are by no means comprehensive, but are a start. I believe that the list may contain some of the projects Oron has spoken about:<br />
<a href="http://www.symbiotica.uwa.edu.au/educate/resources" rel="nofollow">http://www.symbiotica.uwa.edu.au/educate/resources</a></p>
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